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[kbk]

Having read The Year Of Intelligent Tigers... omgtheslashy! I can see why nostalgia says Karl/Eight is ever-so-nearly-canon. But I can also... I dunno, I can see that maybe it isn't, because it's the music thing, and I get how you can dive in so deep and it can be very sensual without necessarily being sexual. There's a vibe between a composer and a conductor and a concerto-soloist that could conceivably get quite intense, especially in that sort of environment. But. Yes.

Also. Stuff. I liked the continual musical references and structuring. Fitz was fab. Oh, the socks! The "Whoah!" and "Oh." and... socks! And setting up the concert, and suchlike. And it was really quite sad, overall. And Eight was quite a cunt. And now I see what nostalgia meant about Anji not trusting him. And.

And. I so want to live there. Except, y'know, before or after, not during. Because, the music. I love the music. So it sounds like a sort of paradise, except I'd probably spend every other day in the library just so I could stop feeling it and calm down.


Fitz/Oz may be happening. Making no promises.

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[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

Do a google search for 'Orman Paisley hell'. It's the first link...

Bloody Orman...

[kbk]

What the fuck? Just... wtf?!

Just... fuck off, Orman!

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

You know what it is? I think it's that Orman & Cornell and that cabal have a different Doctor than I do. The NAs being the big one, really. But.. Intelligent Tigers... I mean, my Doctor can be a bit dark at times, but he's always kind, and less convinced that being alien is an excuse for being a cunt. And... I think my Anji would never have spoken to him again. Actually, that's a bit of an issue for the EDAs in general. Fitz will forgive Eight for anything, because he loves trusts him so much, but Anji doesn't have that. There's no way she'd let him get away with half the shit he pulls. She'd just sit and sulk in the TARDIS till he got her home.

But... Orman's one, the NAs one, he's just over the line into cuntishness far too often. He's nice, that's his whole concept. He only does dreadful things when there really is no other choice. And he's totally aware of how much it hurts people. He's not going to go mad on the power, because he never has. And his whole mental thing is that the Time Lords are mad on the power and up their own arses so he's going to be nice. Just.. fuck you Doctor, going off with your tigers. You know damn well you've got more with the humans, having, y'know, lived with them and them being your entire life for a hundred years. And he sees the good in them, and isn't going to just abandon them and...

Bloody Orman. She can write though, I'll give her that. But there's only so much I'll take when personal fanwank is in semi-canon print.


Err... is that the book Eight has a tattoo in?

[wishfulaces.livejournal.com]

Okay, when I reread that book (I've only read it twice, which is unusual for me, only not so much anymore and I'll shut up about that now), the Doctor going off with the tigers made sense. 'Cos of his whole amnesia thing, and his whole alien thing, and his whole intense thing. In the confines of the book itself and in the context of what had happened previously in the series, it made sense.

However, Anji? No. She would never, ever trust him again.

As for the Eight/Karl thing and whether it's slash or just mutual love of the sensual music...dude. I've gotta get my definitions of what exactly "slash" *is* before I can go into that.

[kbk]

Now you say that, yeah, 'cause, the... Admittedly, the humans are being cunts, but that's just a couple of them leading the way and if the Doctor had stayed and sorted them out...

I can almost see it, though, because in going over to the tigers he manages to talk them down and he could have found a perfectly workable solution if not for cuntishness of others. And the tiger community is somewhat idealistic, and... Also, I saw that as partially running away from Karl. And later,he's disappointed in Karl, disappointed in himself, which leads into the.... I'm trying to excuse him here because the book was well-written and I did like it but I wasn't thinking about characterisation, I was losing myself in it as a one-off novel which I'm still... I haven't quite built them into an arc in my head yet.

You're right, though, it's not... he is more of a cunt than he ought to be, and although the "you will have to work together" is quite good, he really wouldn't do that, because... In Infinity Doctors, he leaves them in the TARDIS, but that's by accident, and he tells them Gallifrey isn't going to police them, they have to do it for themselves, and in IT he takes over and *makes* them work it out which isn't what he would do.

And Anji... she really fucking hated him, and then she's happily swanning off in the TARDIS again. In fact, the ending, it is such a turn-around, and. guh. grr. gah.

I like Fitz.

I don't know about the tattoo.

Anji/Besma?

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

That's the thing with Orman, her books don't always quite gel with the way the characters are going. It's OK in the NAs where everyone bar Benny is an utter cunt, but EDA Eight is so... not the NAs guy.

(Actually, listening to Audio!EIght is well weird because he's so damn fluffy.)

I can just about buy Eight riunning off like that, but... it's the companions mainly. I'm not convinced he'd abandon them like that, and Anji would. never. forgive. him.

[kbk]

*agrees*

[nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com]

There's a fic in there somewhere...

[alryssa.livejournal.com]

Kate pretty much said as much...